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Flatdog 
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 Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:05am |
IVe had both bikes from new 4t and 2T
Cost to maintain are similer from new
I had a 2nd hand 4T as well, and never again. costs were horrendous.
If/when i buy another 4T it will be new or very close to new
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edgaholic
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:10am |
Originally posted by CharlesB
My own experience:
Bought a 2004 4 stroke for R30 000 in 2007. Big mistake! Went riding about ones a month. I did not do more than 20 hours on this bike in 2 years. Spent more than 15k on engine sh!t in 2 years. This bike was maintained properly (Oil, oil filter, air filter ....). The new owner bought a bargain from me because I had the bike repaired by RCR (now RCD) and was like new when sold for R20 000.
Lesson learned:
Do not buy a 04/05 model 4 stroke. The newer models are better, or so they say. The expensive fuel (2 stroke) cost is diluted over a long period so it does not really bother me (I do not ride allot). I just ride for fun (meaning I do not have talent and can’t go flat out even if I wanted to) and do not abuse the bike.
Math 101:
Cost of bike R30000
Cost of maint/repairs +R15000
Total R45000
Selling price R20000
Total R45000
Selling price -R20000
20 hours of fun R25000
I can think of other fun stuff that would cost a lot less than R1250 per hour 
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Buy a second hand 2 stroke. |
I get the feeling you have no clue what you're talking about. You obviously bought a piece of crap or you don't know that maintaining a 4 stroke goes far beyond just changing the oil and filters.
What bike was it? What was the R15K for?
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seanm
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:51am |
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there is a realy nice 05 CR 125 i can get my hands on and its in perfect shape. do you think it will be a massive down grade from the 250s or will it keep up on the tracks? i know the 250 has alot more power and top end but will the 125 be much slower on a track than the 250? i am about 75-80kg's??
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silentLamb
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:17pm |
jeesh edgeholic chil your nut bro..if the okes said thats what he paid then thats what he paid? where you a little midget in his wallet checking the notes fly out and write it all up.
15K for some repairs is easily achieved!! new valves new piston conrod barrel crank carb. easily bro easily!!
So chill he said thats what heppened to him not thats what happens to all 4strokes.
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:20pm |
A 4t does not just break but when it does you cry and I know what I'm talking about.
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Snoopy
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:52pm |
IMO the operative word here is BUDGET. A 4T requires alot more preventative maitainance than a 2T, if done, the motor will not let you down. A 2T requires much less prevenative maintainance and with the aid of a manual most people (mechanically minded or not) will be able to do a replacement topend. I have bought a couple of 2nd hand bikes (never had enough cash to buy new). Many guys will tell you that they have looked after a bike and it is in pritine condition  . Fact is you really wont know unless you know alot about bikes and what to look at when buying (think there is a post up which will aid a buyer with what to look for) and even then there is no guarantee.
A mention was made about cleaning an air filter regularly as being very important, especially with a 4T. These are simple things that many weekend riders may not even consider, only being done when the bike goes in to the shop for a service, dont laugh it happens. There are riders out there who consider well looked after as having the plastics shiny and clean  .
In short I would purchase a 2T again (im also on a budget) for the simple reason that if somthing did go wrong the potential cost would be half of what a 4T would be.
The last thing you want is to spend R30K on a bike that breaks and then R15K (if you have it) to fix it. That would really leave a bad taste in your mouth 
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 1:10pm |
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Thanks and well put!! do you think i will get board of a 125 after riding 250's? i have a feeling i will out on the flat roads but on a track i dont think there is much diff?
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edgaholic
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 1:12pm |
Originally posted by silentLamb
jeesh edgeholic chil your nut bro..if the okes said thats what he paid then thats what he paid? where you a little midget in his wallet checking the notes fly out and write it all up.
15K for some repairs is easily achieved!! new valves new piston conrod barrel crank carb. easily bro easily!!
So chill he said thats what heppened to him not thats what happens to all 4strokes. |
Read properly bro. Never questioned what he paid. What I am questioning is the state of the bike when it was purchased and the assumptions he makes with his math. I know what spares costs and you're right; it could easily go over 15K if the list is as long as you are assuming. But if that's the list then I will worry big time if I paid R30K and only ride 20 hours a year. Assumption is the mother as you may well now.
Edited by edgaholic - 02 Aug 2010 at 3:04pm
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 1:21pm |
Don't get a 125, you'll be bored WITHIN a week.
Spend that bit extra and get a 250 2t..........IMO.
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Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 1:29pm |
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yeah i thinks so too... just gota find a nice 250 now ;-) there was a nice 06 ktm 300 exc that came my way the other day, but i think the susspension wont work on the track. i ride enduro a bit but i do enjoy ripping it up at the track on weekends. need to find me a nice yz or cr or kx, not much of a zook fan.
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